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Level 8 Human Cornac
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: Russia
Posted on April 8, 2011 at 5:08 am

Mighty Athenian Empire is undoubtly the main player`s adversary in Macedonian campaign, but unlike Thebes, Corinth or Sparta, there`s no Hegemony quest relating to Athens. The fall of Athens has no effect on gameplay at all; privateer raids continue as nothing had happened. It looks strange. :)

Maybe it would be appropriate to let Athenian satellites and colonies declare independence after the city is captured and hold, say, for two years? Or just get -50 to Athenian hostility to let the player make a profitable peace?

Level 8 Human Heroine
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: JupiterMoon
Posted on April 10, 2011 at 6:22 pm

sure you have no effect on taking down Athen
or sure not to be blind

Level 21 Extraplanar gamer
Alignment: True neutral
Location: Toronto
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:20 am

Philip's goal was to unify the Greeks, which required selective conquest and much diplomacy.

As this complex collection of circumstances is very difficult to simulate in a wargame, we decided that the simplest way to handle the delicate historical relationship that Philip was trying to cultivate with Athens, was to indirectly discourage the player from attacking the city of Athens, by not having a direct quest reward for taking Athens.

We will work on the diplomacy aspect of the game engine for the next game.

Jim

Level 8 Human Cornac
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: Russia
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 6:07 am

Jim, thanks for your answer, but...

indirectly discourage the player from attacking the city of Athens ...but at the same time the player is encouraged to attack, capture and hold the city of Sparta which was never conquered by Philip in reality. ;)

Further, the question is not in storming Athens itself but in breaking Athenian ties with abroad territories and so forcing Athens to stop that annoying maritime raiding.

Maybe it would be nice to simply let the hostility level of all the Greek factions lower drastically after solving some quests (e.g. Sacred War or some war against barbarians such as Thracians)?

Level 21 Extraplanar gamer
Alignment: True neutral
Location: Toronto
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:19 am

Got me there on Sparta :)

My meager excuse is that we wanted an artificial draw to get the player into the Peloponnese, bypassing Athens. In the same vein, we also did some general quests for Crete, etc.

We'll do better next time...

Jim

Level 8 Human Cornac
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: Russia
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:11 am

we wanted an artificial draw It more or less works in the case of Persia. There`s no required quests concerning Persians who have virtually strongest army in the game (Persian cavalry + Persian spearmen + Persian archers + mercenary Hoplites). So theoretically the player can bypass war against Persia but actually he`s forced to begin that war solving required Hellespont quest (Persians residing in the city of Abydos become very nervous and aggressive ;) ).

Level 9 Human Student
Alignment: Chaotic
Posted on April 17, 2011 at 2:58 am

A semi-historical approach would be to have the player take Deceleia to command Attica and what little farmland it has, and also Byzantion or other towns on the Hellespont, to cut off Athens's grain supply from the Black Sea regions.

This forced Athens to surrender in the Peloponnesian War.

Level 8 Human Heroine
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: JupiterMoon
Posted on April 17, 2011 at 11:02 am

A..... to cut off Athens's grain supply from the Black Sea regions.
This forced Athens to surrender in the Peloponnesian War.


Yea, its a pity mighty Athenian Navy had to surrender to Spartan Army

Level 8 Human Cornac
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: Russia
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 4:47 am

CaptainWill
to cut off Athens's grain supply from the Black Sea regions There`s a such side quest but it hasn`t needed effect.

This forced Athens Yes, the goal is just to force Athens to accept profitable peace (even maybe without paying any indemnities).

Level 8 Human Heroine
Alignment: Chaotic
Location: JupiterMoon
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:25 am

Greco-Persian Wars
1.Wave:Battle of Marathon 490bc
2.Wave:Battles of Thermopylae and Artemisium 480bc
Sea Battle of Salamis 480bc
Battle of Mycale-Final Battle of Plataea 479bc
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Delian League, founded in 477BC,was an association of Greek city-states, members numbering between 150 to 173,under the leadership of Athens, whose purpose was to continue fighting Persian Empire.
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Defeat of Athens
Aegospotomi - Goat Rivers - Athenian Fleet destroyed in the Hellespont 405bc leads to Long Walls torn down
End of Peloponnesian War
According peaceterm conditions made up by Spartan Fraction:
The Long Walls of Athens and the fortifications of Piraeus must be destroyed.
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Around 333BC
Hellenistic Greece People conquered under Command of AlexandertheGreat(MacedonFaction):
Minor Asia>Aegypt>Persia> up to India
Death of Alex
In Middle of CampaignPreparation for ArabianPeninsula and WesternConquestofRomeandKarthago he dies pitfully on fever in Babylonia 323BC at age33 leaving the whole realm to be separated among Warlords.
Under his Rule more than 70 cities were raised, the most important to be that Alexandreia.