Karldar - "#3. Matrix, it's prolly true that you wouldn't run and ask the admiral/general where the dish soap is, but dealing with a chain of command mean that you advance to the next available level of command or supervison to determine your next course of action. And let's say that your fellow dishwasher knows where the soap is and how to get it, but it's locked up and only he has the combination/key. If he gives you the combo/key without authorization from a superior that could get you both in some hot water(oops-no pun intended). Yes, soap that's locked away is laughable, but I think that the access an administrator has is a bit more deserving of tighter security."

- Boy you really put the effort in to undermine what is a simple statement of fact there lol... would you prefer no admin on the board so that offnded ppl simply dont come back ?

I have *not* and *never* have had any admin password. I was never asked to help until after this started. And that is the extent of my name being metion earlier in this thread.

I see now that if you read it it sounds like I was given a password, also. But he was really saying that I was asked to help. And that was after this started. And I declined from helping because I just don't have the spare time.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Karldar, I can understand your views and you should run for administrator to help make better desicions. Although, I have no regrets about Guido.

Ras:
1) Abusive and racist I can see, but just because you think he’s immoral doesn’t mean he(or I) doesn’t have his own set of rules to live by. I’m sure that you and I disagree on many issues that would make us seem immoral to each other. But, especially since I was just nitpicking anyway, it doesn’t matter if I agree with you about Guido or not-action has been taken due to complaints coax received. The problem with Guido dirtying up the bb has been resolved(afaik). It’s true that I missed this past incident and subsequent topic, but I knew full well that Guido was, at the least, an anti-Semitic racist several months ago. I was trying to make the point that when he expressed some of his more distasteful views in a game I ignored that portion of his chat and only responded to TM-related issues or benign comments(of which he actually had a few, believe it or not). Since I ignored him on topics I did not believe belonged in the game, things did not escalate between he and I to the equivalent of a verbal firefight on a public game server. Perhaps he had become more prolific in chatting about his views ingame lately and could not be ignored-I am speaking here only about my past experiences with him. In truth, I may have become somewhat desensitized to behavior such as Guido engaged in, but my other point was that larger game/internet communities have to put up with an astounding number of people worse(as far as behavior is concerned) than Guido ever was. Relatively speaking, I’m more willing to put up with one bigoted jerk in a small community than thousands in larger communities. That is the reason I don’t frequent the message boards of other games I play online-it takes forever to sort through the childish or vulgar posts to find what you’re looking for. In any case, the majority, or at least the most vocal minority, of this board’s members didn’t think Guido deserved to be here so he’s not any longer. I have no problem with that.

2) Also, I knew full well that coax has apologized, changed his pw, and will be getting more “official” help. I did read the entire thread before posting. I don’t understand why being the 4th person to post my personal opinion on that particular topic means that I’m “pounding away at the issue.” I felt like expressing my thoughts on the subject-a right I have last time I checked.

3) True dat.

4) Cool. You’re prolly right since I haven’t had the time/made the effort to read the bb’s every topic every single day much less actually play(but more on this later).

Rixy: Sorry if you thought I was trying to undermine your example, but I’m not quite sure I understand your response. Um, spelling and grammar check prolly would’ve helped me out-just a thought. You might be saying that I would see things differently if I were the one needing help. Or you might be trying to imply that expressing disagreeable opinions will lead to a lack of help(TM-wise) if I happen to be in need? Dunno, please clarify.
That paragraph was included in my post because I didn’t think you(among others) understood what Sailor meant by using the chain of command. Since I used(and abused) your example, I directed that portion of my post to you. I didn’t realize that you understood the concept and disagreed with it. I thought that you misunderstood Sailor and just went ahead and disagreed with it anyway. My bad, just tryin’ to educate and enlighten. I know that military processes can be confusing.

Kevlar: Understood. That was a bit what it sounded like, but I still wasn’t sure whether you had a pw or not-that’s why I typed, “...he[Super] and/or Kevlar had admin access...”. Perhaps not the best choice of words, but all I could come up with at the time.

coax: As far as being an admin for the board, I respectfully refer you to the above Ras: 4).
I, too, have no regrets about Guido’s banning, especially since I wasn’t involved. I just think his behavior wasn’t that big a deal compared to other online characters I’ve had the displeasure to meet-not to mention the world at large. I’ve been thinking about global issues more than usual and I guess that’s why it seemed like a shame to ban someone for language and personal views who actually plays when people are mistreating and killing each other everywhere on Earth. Seemed kinda trivial to me, y’know? That being said-many obviously did not share my viewpoint(about it being trivial) and were offended by his behavior-here and ingame. That’s fine with me-no more Guido.
Actually, I’m glad you posted your initial thoughts-It reminded me that I wanted to mention some other things. I have been busy working and otherwise participating in RL-spending time with my wife, family and friends. It’s much more time-consuming than I thought it would be, frankly. Seems that there’s always something to do or be done and it’ll prolly only get worse once I head back to college.
No, you’re not the cause or excuse for my apathy towards the game and this bb. I am glad that you noticed or at least thought about it, however. My apathy for the game itself began shortly after Sage released some new maps. I had already dl’d several new maps of Kong and Sailor’s and was looking forward to playing them. My problem was that I couldn’t find the time to play what I had dl’d, much less the newer things I wanted to try-BZP’s soccer mod, your wrestling idea, DCTF, and others I can’t even remember. I felt that since I couldn’t keep up with the release of mods, I might as well not play at all. I didn’t play stock because that’s not what I wanted to play and I stopped playing modded because I couldn’t keep them all straight. That’s nobody’s fault but my own. I also got sick and tired of the clan scene. I don’t even want to be considered a lone wolf, anymore. I want to play the game to have fun. I thought that’s what it’s all about. I don’t care if I win a game or get on the ladder or can’t participate in clan battles or DDM’s. For me, a game’s not fun once it starts to seem like work. Just seemed like a lot of emphasis was being put on the clans and I got tired of it. I was overwhelmed and decided to back off rather than actually put some effort into the best game I’ve ever played. Pathetic, I know, but I’ve decided to ease back onto the stock servers(if there are any) rather than give up completely. So I’m to blame for my apathy towards the game itself and hopefully I’ll get back in the saddle...er, turret.
Now, the bb’s another story. Part of it(prolly a big part) was my own lack, or perceived lack, of time. Also, I didn't like the fact that topics about the clans have been posted in the general TM forum when there is a distinct and separate forum for them, yet other posts have been moved and their authors berated for posting in the wrong forum. I guess no one noticed or cared. I both noticed and cared, but forgot to mention it on the board. I realize that I should've spoken up earlier, but I am conveniently bitching in this post now. Another, less overt cause has been the trend toward political correctness. Actually, it should prolly be referred to as “Be nice, or else!” Could just be my perception of events here, but it seems that we’ve had to be increasingly careful of what we post here lest we be reprimanded for expressing our own thoughts or what others think we think. I don’t think the thought police have set up camp here, but I’m afraid it might come to that. Over the past several months, it seems to me that a lot of bristling and finger pointing has gone on at perceived wrongs being done and yes, Guido was often involved in those sessions. However, he was not always the crux of disagreements that seemed to me to be caused due to communication breakdown-I think that all of us have been guilty of reading between the lines and responding to what we think was meant rather than bothering to request clarification or re-read a post. Overall, I think we need to learn to communicate better as a group. Of course, this could only be my perception of events and, if so, I guess that I am wholly to blame for my apathy towards the bb, as well.

Everybody: Please let me know if you don’t understand or disagree with any part of this post-maybe we can clear things up.

The clan thing - yeah, it may seem like a lot of we are better than you but it's only when we have a clan battle. Like my post on the server being ready was a little slanted towards my clan. But at the same time we (any clan) don't constantly (or ever from what I can recall) run around bragging constantly. Once that happens, it will then get quickly annoying and no fun.

DDM - good point also. Initially, DDM was done to get a bunch of people together at the same time. They posted (I started on #4) who won what but I don't think they kept a ladder. That was added later on. But some people enjoy trying to get on the ladder and some don't. Again, we've been fortunate enough where nobody is walking around bragging that "they are #1". I would think if that starts then people will become disenchanted with the whole DDM thing and nobody will show.

I think the DDM has evolved to a time when everyone can get together knowing that a bunch of people will be there. And to try new things. Like the great maps and weapons and STORM and a Clan "battle" every 6 weeks.

It's great to know that we can have competition but not get annoyed that people will be strutting their stuff day in and day out.

So, hope you are enjoying your RL - I am too!

In a year or two I might say to heck with you Bozo's and go play the network version of Beavis and Butthead's "Hock a Loogie" game. Then I'll make another web site called "HockaLoogie-Central.com"

They were not ranked for TM1.0 but there was only one DDM ever for version 1.0 And even that game, I beleive, did not meet the prerequisite of having a minimum of 8 players to be ranked.

Saying you replied comprehensively would be an understatement. Obviously we can conclude that things are fairly well resolved. But I must say man, your response to #1 was almost funny in how many twists and turns it took.

As far as ignoring such people, it goes back to that old saying that evil triumphs when good people do nothing. You notice I said evil. No one tried to boot him when he was annoying. That only happened when he was, quite literally, evil in his actions. You did indeed miss it and I am certain that you would have been leading the charge if you had been there for those two games. You basically acquiesced to that notion already. I'm just being emphatic.

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I know the only reason people place non-TM related subjects here is either because they forgot, it's quicker to get a responce, or they want to have a long discussion on it. I'll leave it to individuals to balance those 3 things with keeping the forum clean for TM related content.

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