PLAYERS!!! - Longbow Digital Arts Discussion

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=DNX= Matrix Member	posted December 16, 2004 09:14 PM @ Pabs Ok, Joey from Boomstick Joes popular TM site - made some cool server tools including extra commands that server owners could use... Some1 complained in a big way, and Joey was on the big end of a shedload of personal abuse over privacy issues while playing, the option is/was built within the software to "opt out" of the monitoring, and extra server command stuff, but that still wasnt enough for some ppl... Joey eventually pulled all the tools from use. Since my F1 map (and all subsequent maps) were designed for use WITH Joeys extra server stuff, they dont work properly without it - hence, theres no point releasing the finished map, or creating the rest for the Storm Pack.. The only way to use more than 4 textures on TM land, is to have 1 HUGE graphic that covers the lot like a tablecloth and drapes itself over the displacement map, thus getting past tm's texturing function. The downside to this method, is that when the server rolls around back to dedicated map 1 in your server config, it rotates the whole map design 90 degrees, and leave the textures as is - that means if you design a road on a graphic, and shape the ground accordingly with hills and the like, when the map does its 90 degree turn, the overlayed painting no longer matches the ground layout thus killing the whole effect. IP:
VorDesigns Member	posted December 16, 2004 09:44 PM I already knew about the free 100, I've seen yoour tank. IP:
yugo2 Member	posted December 16, 2004 09:54 PM Well that is the truth Taxi after the deed is done, its the wondering always uncertain, always unsure that maybe you might get in trouble for what you did tomorrow That notion (above) is why I never cheat. But for those who love the thrill of the chase, the beat, chancing to propel ehead, don't forget- -it is more noble to reinvent the rules than to break them- IP:
THETAXI Member	posted December 17, 2004 07:13 AM Hmm, look at this funny little article! It's the treadmarks PREVIEW back in May of '99!! And look! There's my little elf tank being shown as STOCK so that people can see what the game is like!! (Bottom left picture, second tank from left to right). IP:
=DNX= Matrix Member	posted December 17, 2004 09:53 AM Im more curious about that top pic, the circular one outlined in red.... whats that fortification in the distance ? wheres that from then ? IP:
coaxs Member	posted December 17, 2004 01:13 PM I don't know ------------------ Tread Marks Ladders IP:
pablito Member	posted December 17, 2004 01:21 PM How is that they're writing the release of the game but your tank is already stock? The fortification in the back is one of the mountains from the Sioux reservoirs in Colorado (bs). [This message has been edited by pablito (edited December 17, 2004).] IP:
THETAXI Member	posted December 17, 2004 01:58 PM Hence my point that my tank isn't a "MODDED" tank since it was there FROM DAY ONE! IP:
Teulk Member	posted December 17, 2004 02:20 PM . sorry--wrong number-- [This message has been edited by Teulk (edited December 17, 2004).] IP:
coaxs Member	posted December 17, 2004 03:48 PM Its not a modded tank just a hidden tank back from TM1.0 ------------------ Tread Marks Ladders IP:
=CAT=PABLITO Member	posted December 17, 2004 04:15 PM It doesn't matter what tank you use > ------------------ LONG LIVE TM. IP:
=DNX= Matrix Member	posted December 17, 2004 07:20 PM If its in the game, on the cd, its STOCK, Period.... jeez nobody whines on about the other extras packed ontop the disc that arent used in the game, but these tanks just keep coming up - and you know who the whiners are ? The ones who dont know how to access them.... despite 2 different ppl making ents you can download and use to get them. I say keep using the Elf ! Crackin little tank - love to know more about that fortification though.... looks like sumthin from an indiana jones movie ! IP:
=CAT=Viper-II Member	posted December 17, 2004 07:25 PM It's nice to know that we play with all George Washingtons....They always tell the truth....till they get piss off oh my ! This is foe the exam boys or girls ! [This message has been edited by =CAT=Viper-II (edited December 17, 2004).] IP:
THETAXI Member	posted December 17, 2004 08:56 PM Vortex the Barbaric still makes the argument that I cheat when using a stock tank [This message has been edited by THETAXI (edited December 17, 2004).] IP:
coaxs Member	posted December 17, 2004 08:59 PM He can play on his server that doesn't have it then. ------------------ Tread Marks Ladders IP:
=CAT=Viper-II Member	posted December 18, 2004 07:53 AM I know Vortex calls us mod tankers cheaters, why I don't know, they blow up just like stockers uh Taxie? IP:
KONG Member	posted December 18, 2004 08:23 AM quote: If its in the game, on the cd, its STOCK, Period.... jeez nobody whines on about the other extras packed ontop the disc that arent used in the game, but these tanks just keep coming up - and you know who the whiners are ? So you are saying that all server-side mods are really "stock"? They are all on the CD except for the Ent files. The whole arguement that the tanks are stock is absurd. They require files that are not on the CD. This in effect makes all server side weapons and tanks, "stock". I say any SSO mods that people want on the stock server should be added since they are all on the CD. IP:
Irascible Member	posted December 18, 2004 11:05 AM Kong hit it on the head. If you have to download a mod created by players to play a tank, it's a mod tank. Duh. Yes, it was LDA's unfinished work. But it WAS unfinished and NOT added to the stock game by them. Since they own the rights to it, it is their prerogative to define what stock is. I don't know why you people who like the mod tanks (of which I am one) want to dispose of logic in order to defend their use. But if you insist on doing so, I have around 85 weapons that we can add to the mix - all of which require only that you download some ent files. And in case the newbs like Theta and Pab didn't know, there's a lot of unfinished work in the TM stock install. To stay consistent you'd have to allow the use of ANYTHING in the stock install. The game could really get mucked up that way. The better choice might be to insist that the mod tank detractors should prove that they're cheat tanks. Someone who understands how to interpret their physics should compare them to a selection of popular stock tanks. If they do indeed have considerably better physics than the stock tanks they shouldn't be allowed in ranked games, etc. IF they do actually give the player an unfair advantage, then I think all the fair minded players would stop using them in ranked events voluntarily. And IF they are cheats, 666 should ask Jim to break them like Vor did on his server. Speaking of which, has anyone at LDA ever commented on them? [This message has been edited by Irascible (edited December 18, 2004).] IP:
=DNX= Matrix Member	posted December 18, 2004 11:52 AM Maybe the definition has changed over the years - but STOCK used to mean "if its on the cd, and as the developer wanted it to be used"... I dont see how that dispells of logic. The tanks are switched off as such, that doesnt mean they shouldnt be used. By pure definition you could "mod" the config to run your own server and change a whole smoggersboard of things.. all on the cd, commands etc, would that even be considered STOCK ? The demo server only allows a couple of tanks and a map, is that stock, or mod ? Your cars lights are stock, you dont use them during the day, the controls are there to use them, at night, you switch them on, does this mean you just modded your lights ? or are you just using something that you already had and isnt switched on by default ? Mods are defined as modifications to something, the tanks arent modified, they are switched off, and are exactly as LDA intended them to be, hence not modified, hence not mods. If you gave it a new skin, its a mod, if you change LDA's settings, its a mod... if you werely reactivate things, thats not modding - at least not according to the rest of the gaming world. But its each to their own and open to personal interpretation since the line is split so thin. This is the same line of argument that Quakers had for years about changing your graphic settings during tournaments, players with all the detail always lost out to players with the least details on, they have no distractions, is it a hack or a mod, no, they are just ising whats provided.... the net result was that all tourney players, play quake with their details on minimum, it enhances speed, efficiency and accuracy. And theres that fine line, just short of a hairs breadth. If you instigate new materials to a game, its a mod... if you are using default settings and merely switching things on - its not. There will always be ppl that dissagree, and they are entitled to that opinion. [This message has been edited by =DNX= Matrix (edited December 18, 2004).] IP:
KONG Member	posted December 18, 2004 01:18 PM So if we make tanks or use existing SSO tanks like the Ifrit shouldn't they be allowed on the stock server? All that needs to be done is to change an ent file just like these tanks. They will only use stock meshes, textures and sounds? How would using SSO tanks be different? It's all on the CD just like those tanks just need to change an ent file just like those tanks. IP:
coaxs Member	posted December 18, 2004 01:51 PM The physics for the DDMs are the same as every other tank(the hidden tanks were edited). On LDA they were not edited so they do have one advantage/disadvantage the maxacceleration is set to 15 instead of 20. This makes it slower for the tanks to reach max speed. But, I have been digging into the physics of TM and I've recently learned projectiles use this number to determine how much kick the tank will feel, since it is lower it is harder to throw the tank off balance. As many of people have noticed and commented how sturdy they are. This arguably is a very unfair advantage since it is now 25% harder to toss the tank. I've taken the hidden tanks off my site because of all this fuss. Only those knowledgable enough to work ENT files will be able to use them in the future and those who have already downloaded them. I still plan on using the hidden tanks, I need all the help I can get. ------------------ Tread Marks Ladders [This message has been edited by coaxs (edited December 18, 2004).] IP:
=DNX= Matrix Member	posted December 18, 2004 02:45 PM I personally dont use the ilfrit, but if its on the cd, then it has a place on a stock server imho. And as we see, yet another "facility" is lost due to arguments over petty things, so now coaxs has removed his tanks from the his site and gone the way of Boomstick Joes - when will you complainers learn that tm is here for fun, you guys take it far too seriously, and hinge complaints based on atom thin threads of nothing ! Ultimately everyone loses... and you note, same complainers.... each and every time. Arguments got rid of TM Central too - I get the feeling that soon enough there will only be complainers left... talk about a way to kill a game... The game was designed to be modded, why cant you live with that ? and love it ? Afterthought... The Dwarf is a stock tank yes ? yet if i came onto a stock server with new abilities, would you turn off the dwarf too ? It would be the only way of stopping it's use... but would turning it off mean the stock server becomes a mod server ? interesting no ? ... (i hear you, its not possible to hack tm .... WRONG, DEAD WRONG) but far be it from me to tell you what to do no chance. That would provide an unfair advantage, and we know you dont like those, right ps: i plan on using the hidden tanks too, they have a remarkably humourous flaw lol ... [This message has been edited by =DNX= Matrix (edited December 18, 2004).] IP:
THETAXI Member	posted December 18, 2004 07:24 PM Can you please enlighten? I always like to learn new stuff. IP:
coaxs Member	posted December 18, 2004 07:59 PM What do you mean? ------------------ Tread Marks Ladders IP:
THETAXI Member	posted December 18, 2004 11:57 PM quote: ps: i plan on using the hidden tanks too, they have a remarkably humourous flaw lol ... Seriously, I always like to learn new stuff about the game. SO... are there secret "worlds (scenarios) in addition to secret tanks? Do the tanks die easier? what happens? IP:

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