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Author Topic:   Clan battle map...DNX picks this time
666
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posted October 18, 2004 02:23 AM            
Cats did last Month, BWL will do this months. Pick most any stock map you want, but not the LUGE.

Will need to know what the maps are by Wednesday.
Well this is the schedule I did last time. So I guess DNX picks next to pick.
We will use modded maps that make sense.

I guess the schedule will be

CATS
BWL
DNX
DOG
FL
GA
LWA
ZE-TC

I would go here to pick maps.
http://www.tbhccs.com/treadmarks/maps-download-index.html

But it must be done in 2 DAYS, need to do the work to get the maps in the server and tested.

Try and pick maps that have 30 or more weapon points. I know all the clan maps are OK. And Sailor has many beautiful maps also.

Sorry for the short notice

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 03:21 AM            
"I know all the clan maps are OK. And Sailor has many beautiful maps also."

So youre saying we dont have to stick with stock maps ? **rubs hands** If this is true, id like to discuss with bam and coaxs about picking 3 from the Anarchy pack. But 2 days doesnt give us long at all, so bear with us.

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pablito
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posted October 18, 2004 03:43 AM            
...and please remember the main reason that maps are not stock: "LAG!!!!!"

*Short detail: opening thread says cats picked maps last month (when it was 2 months ago. Bwl picked last month, and now it's Dnx's turn* just in case.

Let the games begin!!!!!!!!!

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-DNX-Ni
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posted October 18, 2004 08:39 AM            
Actually most of the decent stock maps have the least lag. I'm quite partial to the clan version of the stock maps actually.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 10:24 AM            
Dont worry, the 3 maps I have in mind are not theme maps, they are actually quite bland and are low lag, but they have some great vantage points.

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Irascible
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posted October 18, 2004 10:45 AM            
I'm sorry. I missed the part where 666 was allowed to declare by fiat that we could use any old map. For YEARS it has been understood that ranked events are stock, minus the shadow. We debated to no friggin end the use of clan maps. But even those are stock with lots of spawn points. And now, with little fanfare or discussion, we can use just anything? Uh, no.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 12:38 PM            
Thats why i asked .... after all, i dont run the server, we just get asked what maps DNX wants lol ... Ultimately its down to Coaxs and Bam, but i think it would be nice (if we do have free range) to use some other low lag maps of choice.

Besides, i have propsed on our private boards, 2 grass maps and an ice map... but we only have 2 days, so if theres no feedback/discorse due to time limitations we'll go with those and ill send out a map pack for ppl.

Course, it would be better for us if you didnt play *Cough* lol

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Irascible
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posted October 18, 2004 01:01 PM            
And that's why I answered. The proper, fair, correct (put it how you want) thing to do is to adhere by the rules until they are changed through a consensus. Bringing a topic up in a thread that is not even titled as such (DNX picking maps and allowing mod maps are VERY different topics) and giving it a day or two for response doesn't quailfy as reaching consensus. It qualifies as 666 pulling yet another stunt and Matrix going along because it suits him.

But of course, I'm not worried about that because we all know how fair minded (egalitarian, socialistic, whatever ) 666 is. He'd never take years of tradition and flush it down the toilet by his declaration alone. It wouldn't be fair. And if DNX refuses to go along, then he can just give the decision to the next clan on the list and let DNX decide next time. If DNX doesn't show as a result, all the better for us.

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Irascible
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posted October 18, 2004 01:08 PM            
BTW, I'm not automatically opposed to the idea of using mod maps. But certain rules need to be discussed first. For example, one incredibly obvious rule would be that the map being chosen can not have been made by a current member of that clan. We don't want the map maker, who knows his map better than anyone, giving his clan an advantage. Nor could we have any "specialty" maps that have spawn points that give nothing but a single weapon (like cruise missles), if you know what I mean. :P

If you want such a change to occur, start a thread. Obviously it's too late to consider the change for this clan match.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 01:37 PM            
First up Ras, i agree with you 100% .... second - i think you missed a few key points.. allow me...

666 - "We will use modded maps that make sense."

Matrix - "So youre saying we dont have to stick with stock maps ? **rubs hands** If this is true, id like to discuss with bam and coaxs about picking 3 from the Anarchy pack"

Ras - "NOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" lol

Matrix - "Thats why i asked .... "

Ras - "Matrix going along because it suits him."

- As i said, i dont run the server, its not upto me, if 666 sees fit to change the rules on his own, then he's the one that gets flamed, im just working to whats presented to me as acceptable - that said, IF we cant use mod maps, then i see no reason why clan maps shouldnt be used. Im all for following rules, but you can only follow accorging to guidelines presented, even if you know better

Besides, ive got sick of adhering to ppls rules, every time i quote them i get a mixed response of "we didnt know... so its ok this time" and "STFU Matrix u have no idea what youre talking about".... and that came from a new player in private IM lol ....

And as i'd posted b4 as a result of the last rules contention... "screw it" ill just do what the rest of you are doing, and rather than shouting it down... go along with whatever.... After all, if ya cant beat em - join em

As for map makers not playing on their maps or giving a team advantage.. didnt 666 make the clan maps, and dont GA play on em knowing where the new spawnpoints are -- Think about it -- I didnt see anyone shout that one down lol ....

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pablito
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posted October 18, 2004 02:24 PM            
The main reason to use non-stock maps was brought up from 666 because of low lag outcomes. (But Ni says stock maps are just as good.. wtf?)
But if modded maps have low lag then
I don't care if we use those and if you made them all (as long as you don't use "hot" spots).

Ras, you may know the high standards that were used, but people have been telling me time after time that decision makers in this game are volunteers for (no other reason that no one else wants to be in charge of it). If you don't pursue to be in charge of something, any comments will be just that...

I don't think this is a dictartorship. But it's building a cozy liberal monarchy.

Either way; letting things be and then worry days before the clan battle is getting old. [(at this phase, I'll play whatever, whenever) (for as long as others keep showing up)]...

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 02:30 PM            
U have my word that any maps we chose from anarchy will be suitable for a clan war - that is to say, no structures unless they are stock, no incredibly wierd designs that require 250m view to kepp ground stable, no hotpot weaponpoints for cruiese, masses etc.... tit would be comfy on the eye and easy to navigate. If there are any respwn points they will be health ones and in a central location so that every1 has a fair chance with them.... no purposeful gold reloaders, no nukes, flowers or anything untoward.

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Irascible
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posted October 18, 2004 03:26 PM            
I don't know what people you've been talking to Pab, but it doesn't matter. Both 666 and Coax, the ones that run the server and the ladder, have said or implied that they're interested in fairness - yada, yada, yada. They've been saying that for a looong time. And by and large it's been true.

If that's changed now, let them say so up front. BUT, they have NOT said as much nor have they even implied as much. Hence, I am relieved to know that 666's attempt at a unilateral rule change was merely an accident and that we'll be using stock or clan maps as was agreed upon after our previous lengthy debate. And I am also relieved to know that Coax will invalidate any results achieved using mods that the community has not agreed to. After all, it's the right thing to do. And no one here is interested in doing the wrong thing. Ahem.

Just start a friggin thread and get it approved! You can wait one more lousy month. Except for the possibility of unexpected death, I assume you'll all be here next month.

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pablito
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posted October 18, 2004 05:09 PM            
unexpected death? lol.. that sounded like a vodoo incentive.
What I mean is that there is no option but the one given by whoever gets to say any "option".

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coaxs
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posted October 18, 2004 08:10 PM            
We probably won't do an anarchy map this month but we'll take it to vote in the future. Expect a clan map.

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Tread Marks Ladders

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 08:19 PM            
And what does 666 have to say about all this ?

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666
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posted October 18, 2004 08:46 PM            
Well, I just want to have a good time. There is enough folks attending the clan battles to use maps that have more weapon points. That is all.

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pablito
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posted October 18, 2004 09:02 PM            
no, you need flat maps with less weapon points, and less lag!!!
A flat map, a matrix's hounted house effects and a halloween special. that's fun. 3 maps with bunch of lag, that's not fun. Lack of posts as already mentioned... IF the clan takes the turn to pick maps, then let them pick (whatever they want to pick) but post it! at least by the first Sunday and put it to vote, if (whichever number) wins, than it goes, if not; low lag stock maps it's a must!

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KONG
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posted October 18, 2004 09:07 PM            
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For YEARS it has been understood that ranked events are stock, minus the shadow. We debated to no friggin end the use of clan maps. But even those are stock with lots of spawn points. And now, with little fanfare or discussion, we can use just anything? Uh, no.

Yep we been all through this before. Save the mod maps for the modded DDM's. Not everyone wants to dload mod maps and all prior scores in the ranked ddm's have been based on stock maps.

If'n you want to use mod maps in the ranked ddm's it should be approved by all active participants involved in that ladder. All of them, not just a majority. I think that would be fair.

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666
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posted October 18, 2004 09:44 PM            
Pablito, flat maps are the worst maps. The terrain does not slow the action. The terrain of the maps need to form a battlefield. In flat maps the whole map is the battle field. The action is then very fast which goes laggy.

Kong, yes there are stock maps that are acceptable. The Ras nine come to mind and brimstone. Though the problem folks cried about last time was the lag. I know you need more weapon points for more players.

I am willing to go back to stock.

I was suggesting maps to pick due to the previous post about the harsh time in the last clan battle.

Just a thought.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 09:45 PM            
I absolutely agree Kong, which is why (not to stress it too much) .... I ASKED hehehe...

As for short notice, well, thats ok for some i guess, not for others... but we've seen this b4 havent we so my 2p just adds fuel.

Nothing should be short notice with clan wars, clans need time to debate, and choose what they want to do, then banging on a rule change at the last minute just throws things into complete dissaray ( see above ).

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666
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posted October 18, 2004 09:48 PM            
Ras I agree. We will use stock this time. Then agree as a whole on the modded maps to be used for the clan battle.

Mind you, if attendance is low, then we go back to the stock maps.

So DNX, pick 3 stock maps to be used this coming Sunday.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted October 18, 2004 09:50 PM            
What happened to clan maps ? are they regarded as stock or mod ? - just so's were clear is all.

And WTF is "The Ras Nine" ?


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Teulk
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posted October 18, 2004 11:52 PM            
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Irascible
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posted October 19, 2004 12:04 AM            
LOL!

Just for the record: I NEVER created anything called the Ras 9. 666 picked that name. As I recall, Coax and I had a long talk with 666 about maps at a LAN party. We came up with a list of good stock maps and tried (somewhat in vein) to convince him of their goodness. I think that even 666 influenced the list we came up with that night. I later used that list, either fully or in part, to create a list of maps for BWL when it was one of our turns to pick. So to be perfectly accurate, they are the 666/BWL/Coax/Ras list of 9 maps.

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