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Author Topic:   ATTN: LDA - about your freeware full/demo TM.
A2597
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posted December 01, 2002 11:27 PM            
I've been pondering what your doing, and while I think it is an excellent Idea, I also see that in the long run, you will be absolutly jipped.

then an idea hit me.

Anyone here have UT2003? they have a very good idea, thye knew that the warezers would have it up for DL days after release, so they coded a nice little "key" into the game. sure, easy to get a key, keygens are rampent. HOWEVER, they set the game servers up so that only a valid, unique key could be online. So here you had thousands of peeps running the warez version, playing online, then Epic pushed a button, and all those NON VALID CD keys went kapoot, and they could no longer play online.

do something like this for Treadmarks, you HAVE to have a valid, unique CD key to play online. sure, peeps can still play offline with the warez versions that will pop up, but they can't play online, forcing them to buy to play. It would mean some extra coding into the master server, but I think it would be worth it!

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KiLlEr
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posted December 01, 2002 11:50 PM            
Yesm Alot of games are like that today. RTCW, Gore and IL-2 use the same style copyprotection.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted December 02, 2002 12:07 AM            
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Epic pushed a button, and all those NON VALID CD keys went kapoot, and they could no longer play online.

Not true - theres many pirate servers that allow any key on wolfenstein, ut and quake ! - course if ur into playing for money, youre gonna be outa luck - also the pirate servers quite often dont have any kind of protection against hacks - players can do what they like .. rampant.

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A2597
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posted December 02, 2002 08:52 AM            
I was referring solely to UT2003.
only one valid key allowed online now, no duplicates.

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Mysterial
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posted December 02, 2002 09:34 PM            
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Not true - theres many pirate servers that allow any key on wolfenstein, ut and quake ! - course if ur into playing for money, youre gonna be outa luck - also the pirate servers quite often dont have any kind of protection against hacks - players can do what they like .. rampant.

Heh. I don't know how they do it, but Epic has them marked. If you have the game, go to the Filter tab, and in the custom query box type "WAREZ" (no quotes, all caps)

Epic knows. The only way to KEEP Epic from knowing would be to hack the server executable and THEN keep it from advertising to the master. Which effectively means no one will ever find it.

CD-Keys is really the way to go. Screw SafeDisc and all those other useless copy-protection schemes that waste millions of dollars, just go with the key and an auth server and the warezers are stuck with offline only.

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wolfman
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posted December 02, 2002 11:14 PM            
Just my 2 cents - or half a cent worth. Nothing to do with how but why. The more we can get TM out there - and have LDA make $ at it - the more people available to get TM2 when it comes out. Just my opinion JT

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted December 02, 2002 11:29 PM            
SafeDisc can screw up your CD Drives too.... its good protection, but it comes at a cost.

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Paranor
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posted December 03, 2002 12:38 AM            
I have an idea....BUY THE FRIGGIN GAMES!

Isn't safedisc where you can put black marker around the edge and it disables it entirely? I read an article about the "new" copy protection schemes and one of them was rendered useless by doing that. Very funny.

I would also suggest that LDA includes all modded weapons (that have been ENT'ed?) and maps. Save a ton of downloads.

And how about a $5 or more coupon off the PC version if you buy the PS2 version and/or vice-versa?

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kv
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posted December 03, 2002 06:37 AM            
Par, as I understand it, safedisk puts bad sectors onto the CD that it then looks for when the game is run. When you try to copy a safedisk CD, the burning program sees the bad sectors and tries to fix them, ruining the copy. Programs have been made that overcome that problem.

The black marker fix is for protected music CDs that put an entire bad track on the disc.

wow, am I off topic?

er.. um.. TREADMARKS ROCKS!

there

[This message has been edited by kv (edited December 03, 2002).]

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Paranor
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posted December 03, 2002 08:10 AM            
that's it? That's all safedisc does? What a joke. What moron thought of that?

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KiLlEr
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posted December 03, 2002 09:18 AM            
Kinda reminds me of the C64 and 1541 drive. Spiral tracks, half sectors, ah! sweet memories!


I even had a program that made the 1541 grind out Beetoven's 5th!

errr errr errr grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

LOL

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted December 03, 2002 12:00 PM            
CloneCD does safedisc... but the reading of safedisc cd's can wreck your drives because of the bad sectors. It relies on an old technique called "trackdisc" all based on venn-diagrams.. it corrupts it. Imho, theres far better protection methods... i know id do it differently anyway.

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted December 03, 2002 12:06 PM            
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Kinda reminds me of the C64 and 1541 drive. Spiral tracks, half sectors, ah! sweet memories!

I even had a program that made the 1541 grind out Beetoven's 5th!

errr errr errr grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

LOL


Ah yes, the 1541 - the worlds first INTELLIGENT disc drive ahh yes, memories...

Its multispeed motor made the drivemusic possible, its been seen on Mac and Amiga too.. eventually wrecked the motor tho... I had a blue danube one

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John B.
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posted December 03, 2002 07:22 PM         
You two are showing your age

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synack
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posted December 03, 2002 07:55 PM         
I was inspired to write a song based on the rhythm of an IBM 360, being used as a 80-column card duplicator.

It was sometime in the early 70s, but I don't really rememmmmmmmmmmm bur*p

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Sailor
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posted December 03, 2002 09:00 PM            
Off topic as some others went, but I recall when we only had radios to listen to. No TV's, no PC's, no PDA/MP3's - just good old mysteries, comedies etc... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Memmmooorrriiieeesss.
Oh yes and I am not older than dirt - LOL But then again dirt is relatively young in the scope of things!

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Blue n Gold Sue
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posted December 04, 2002 07:24 PM            
Surely you had an old, wind up phonograph Sailor, didn't you? You remember, the white dog with the big RCA victrola?

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Sailor
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posted December 04, 2002 09:52 PM            
Sorry I missed that one Sue, but we did get one of the early RCA color console TV's with the phonograph in one side and a radio in the other. I was the only one in the family that could adjust the color correctly. Everyone loved it when I was home on leave from the Navy.

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Paranor
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posted December 05, 2002 01:58 PM            
wow. that's all I have to say Sailor.

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A2597
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posted December 05, 2002 07:38 PM            
I wish I had kept my Colecovision....

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=DNX= Matrix
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posted December 05, 2002 08:28 PM            
Yup, some great gamnes for that machine - Venture, Gorf, Donky Kong Jnr ..... hell to use those padstho - massive phone pad style, with the spring cord UGH ! Intellivisions was easier to use...

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A2597
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posted December 06, 2002 10:33 PM            
I had Gorf, Ladybug, and Smurf...

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Flying Tanks and Cookie Dough?
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GoldAnt_Number1
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posted December 07, 2002 08:48 PM            
I think something your all forgetting is that LDA does *NOT* run "THE" server, it runs "A" server So wouldn't that mean everyone would have to have the executeable with the keys...etc Everything would have to be updated constantly..., though people would guess the pattern eventually if that happened. No way to have it unique unless its all run by LDA but that ruins 90% of the fun. No modding....etc on the servers then. At least I think it might not work, dunno.

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GoldAnt_Number1
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posted December 07, 2002 08:48 PM            
ooohhhh (rr it). You mean the Master Server would check, well thats cool hehe, forget all that was said above.

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Rex R
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posted December 08, 2002 05:02 AM            
right. as I understand it. when a client goes to log on to a server they send (as part of player info) their 'key' the server then checks with the master to see if a) the 'key' is valid and b) if it is already in use. if either condition is true then the client is denied access.

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