It is good that you are doing this for our game bro, Bz once had 350 people on a single server, now it has maybe 90 IF its a Friday or Saturday, it's a very old game, but its a game WELL worth remembering, and anyone that has played Bz knows exactly what im talking about. so i think its a good idea bro, and I cant wait,You may very well bring more bzers to this game, with this bz mod.

But I understand its going to be a while before the Mod comes out, and I am willing to wait like everyone else, Just dont forget my stealth or my bomber, and we are good to go

War is hell - it happened, it cant be shut out or simply dismissed.

Besides this whole shebang is based on war right ? so wheres the issue ? its all ok having good guys to fight each other but when a diverse bad guy comes in (and they are always needed in war lets face it, whats war without factions) nobody will accept it.

I went ahead on the strength that ppl said "sure np" instead if actually reading what I initially wrote and understanding it.

So despite what ppl said, it seems the swastica still is deemed an offensive symbol.

If i were to change the symbol i suspect there would not be an issue - its an interesting thing isnt it...... what ppl say is acceptable and what is not. Its ok for existing tanks not future ones, yet the tank shape is not the issue, the symbol is - interesting...... yes very interesting....

The tank meshes kick a$$ tho.

the meshes look damn fine, i think you should keep them the way they are i think they look excelent, if they didnt have a nazi symbol then i think it would take the history out of them, history is a story teller, if it was some made up faction that did everything that the nazis did in the story line like in SÒF it ruins it cos you can tell they are trying to avoid confrontation, thats just weak especialy when u know it.

i hope it stays the way they are, just wont have atmos without the reality

But won't you be tired eventually of people taking offense to it, judging you and you have to explain that you actually asked a community to see if it might be accepted as part of a modding batch.

Sorry to 8itch on about it. A change in symbol might be a plausible alternative, but adhering to the colours of the tank doesn't take away ro the fact that 'random joe' will dissect it and the modder too.

Although it was accepted in SOF after all.

films, books, GAMES

WHO GIVES A POO?!, its just adding a known tyranical force instead of a made up enemy that has NO history, its good but not as good as making it somthing you can relate to as being bad and fearsome

sorry i just think its beter that way =/

Oh, so what anyway?? I'm just saying people are gonna give Matrix a hard time I reckon so some kind of statement might b required as a sort of disclaimer to the hwole thing! I personally don't care..if there's a plot and if the tanks are integral to it. fari enough!

The fact that many ppl consider it a strong moral issue if used in games certainly shows that their influence of fear still lives on today as a topic ppl are unwilling to cover.

I think the best bet would be to make a sepoerate (by your own morals) download thus leaving the choice of inclusion down to the player.

Its like top shelf skin mags - theyre on display, not everyone agrees with em, nobody is forced to buy em, but ppl do anyway.

like i pik the nazi skins , some other dude spiks different skins, i see nazi tanks he sees alternate tanks cos the fils were both named the same?

1) Im not guido or corpse lol

2) im not racist, even tho ive just been accused of such via email.

3) im making the skin downloadable as an option, much like a top shelf mag nobody is forcing you to use it, and if you do so - it will only be seen on your own computer as the filenames will be the same.

4) im a non-voting anti political neutral unactivist with no religeion

5) you dont see viets attacking the game cos theres a usa flag on it - nor do you see anyone poking at the jewish flag in the flag pack - religeon here is not an issue its a neutral.

6) cant escape the past - or indeed the future.

7) theres alreadya multitude of games as dreamer noted like wolfenstein, and a million others you could mention - big seller by the way - and as this link shows theres lots of skins for that too.

( http://www.wolfensteincenter.com/downloads/skins.phtml )

8) im not trying to justify the nazi's - im just giving them a game based representation so we can ahmmer the smeg outa em lol.

9) im not forcing it down your throats - im making the skins an optional download - so it up to the user what they see, and what they find acceptable.

Oki onto the email comments with my -ed:

i work with a jewish person and hes a GOOD FRIEND (my next door neighbour is one and hes been helping me with the skins !! -ed)

there was no county adenafid in TM when it came out and it should STAY that way. (i have no plans to make such a map -ed)

whats next Talibon tanks? (if you want them i suppose.... im happy to put any logo on any tank if theres call for it - my mod just happens to call for it - its a touchy subject, but its not going away no matter how much we avoid it -ed)

i know way don't you have babys running around so we can run them over too . (thats a sick mind man, i made one with teletubbies tho if you want to try that -ed)

if you going to bring in the NAZI , you mite as well go ALL the way . (not needed for my mod, but thx for the thought -ed)

i live in the usa (ok... so what ? -ed)

im white (and this means sumthin to me ? -ed)

i play as IDGAF= i dont give a fuk (apparently u do!-ed)

im 35 (ahh nice, im 31 -ed)

if i want to play a nazi game i'll put in return to castle wolfenstein (big seller tha good game -ed)

all i was asking is how far is it going to go, you start with the nazis . y the nazis? (why not ? if you can pick another evil faction will ppl who hate them not be offended ? - -ed)

this game came out with no boarders , so lets keep it that way. (yes it did, i however am remaking a game that does have borders -and its a mod, so like a top shelf magazine, if you dont like it - dont download it ! -ed)

- ed (At the end of the days it will be down to your own morals weather you download the skins or not - ive had many emails stating how nice they are .... or shall we dress up in teletubbie outfits, throw daisies at each other and throw projectiles that comment on how "splendidly shiny our tank is today" when they almost hit, but then turn into a puff of pink smoke and settle gently to the ground.

Im making a horror one too - i assume youre not against me thumping a few zombies ?

hhehe chill out - its a game, not even that its a mod..... and you have the choice of what you download unlike wolfenstein that simply unpacks it onto your hard drive. Ive taken every precaution not to offend which was the point of this thread.

And i can do without such abusive emails too - put your concerns in plain english sensibly and you will get a sensible answer... 72 point fonts in italic colours dont impress me lol.