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Author
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Topic: Admin Notes
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KONG Member
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posted May 08, 2002 11:50 PM
It is an issue. Since we were not informed. this really blows Coax. And why was this thread moved? You started it?IP: |
Sailor Administrator
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posted May 08, 2002 11:52 PM
I do not like the comment by Supe that he has been sharing admin duties with coax. No one asked or heard that he had been given any priviliges to be an admin. Did LDA approve this and when. That, without their consent I would consider a breech of etiquete and power. If they did approve it then please LDA let us know, because none of us (the general community) asked to add another admin that I know of. Perhaps I am wrong and missed something, but I do not believe that providing coax with admin powers allows him to make any decisions about spreading the power around. I for one do not think that it would be a good idea to add Supe to an admin role. Kevlar is another issue (no problem - I mean). If LDA feels that an additional admin might be appropriate then let the community say who they believe would be a good candidate and let LDA decide for themselves as they did with coax.------------------ May you always have a following Sea and the comfort of those you hold nearest to your heart. TMMaps IP: |
coax Administrator
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posted May 08, 2002 11:54 PM
It was moved bcause Kevlar asked for it to be moved, and I agree with his intent.I'm really sorry for not informing you Kong, like I said I truly did not think it would be an issue. I've changed it since. IP: |
KONG Member
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posted May 08, 2002 11:56 PM
later pplIP: |
coax Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:01 AM
I'm sorry Sailor, it didn't perceive it as "spreading the power". Super has always been very helpful, and I truly did not do it with malice intent. An other administrator that can help read through every post and every forum would be very much appreciated, and that can share the responsibillity/blame when serious actions had to take place. If other people have suggestions on who they want to have administrator access, please go ahead and nominate them.IP: |
coax Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:02 AM
Kong please don't go. I can only apologize so much. I feel terrible that I somehow lost your faith.IP: |
Sailor Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:09 AM
coax - I think without LDA's permission you have breeched your powers. This is an issue that should be brought to LDA's attention to decide if you should remain an admin. This is not a vengeful statement. You should have informed them prior to giving anyone your password to obtain their approval. The board priviledges they gave you were not to include deciding who should have admin priviledges. Since some of my duties at work are being the admin over about 80+ servers with full admin priviledges and all the rights that go with it. If I were to decide who should have those priviledges then I would be overstepping my position. I do the administration, I do not decide who else should do them. The servers belong to my company and my management said I should have these priviledges, but that did not include deciding who else should have them. Security is a very important thing and it should not be breeched for any purpose - no matter how noble it seems. Ask for assistance through the proper channels, but do not take it upon yourself to determine what should be done. You were wrong. At a minimum you must change the password immediately and not give it out again without express permission of the owners that granted the priviledges in the first place. My two cents worth from over 25 years of experience. ------------------ May you always have a following Sea and the comfort of those you hold nearest to your heart. TMMaps IP: |
coax Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:13 AM
Yes sir Sailor, I have changed it already. I agree with your opinions, and will leave it in the community's hands to decide what to do. IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:41 AM
What the hell just happened?What is wrong with Kong and Sailor?I think coax can ask someone to help him if he wishes.He was overwhelmed and didn't know how to trace IP's and find out if they are from the same location.It was Kong that nominated coax to be moderator and I don't remember everyone having a chnace to vote on it.And if you nomintated someone who had no experience in dealing with this kinda stuff it was coax that had to worry about it not you guys.So what is the problem.I'm not deleting and moving posts.I don't have access to personal info. And I had nothing to do with guido getting banned.coax is the moderator and he is the only one that chooses to do that and he dosen't need you consent to do it or get help.Kong..you were the one that valued coax's judgement so much that you said to make him moderator,well...coax's judgement asked me for help when it was needed.I was helping him with information only.I have never made any admin decisions.And I really don't understand wh yyou are giving coax such a hard time because he used that judgement to ask me for help.Since when does the moderator have to ask players if its ok to appoint someone to help?IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:46 AM
How do you know what powers LDA gave coax?You'd think the president was just overthrown the way you are talking.Sounds like kong and sailor have their own personal agenda here?He IS the Admin for the BB.He dosen't have to ask a player if its ok if he does this or that.coax still is the Admin for this board and Kevlar and I are his assistants.I don't think I've ever done anything on the BB to make anyone think I'm not to be trusted so whats the problem?Do you think I'm going to boot Kong and Sailor now?Really..I have no clue as to why you two are going nutts because coax asked for help.Its not like he is getting paid for it.He is volunteering his time and he can ask for help if he wantsIP: |
Sailor Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 12:54 AM
Perhaps you just do not get it Supe. This was a breech of trust with LDA. It has nothing to do with you except that coax made a wrong decision and you made a wrong decision in not making sure he had cleared it with LDA. As I stated this is not your or coax's board but LDA's and when given a priviledge it brings responsibility to clear things through the proper channels. I am sure you remember the chain of command from the Navy. That is the issue here not if you could or could not help him and not if you did or did not do anything you should not have done. Proper etiquete - or follow the chain of command - get it now.------------------ May you always have a following Sea and the comfort of those you hold nearest to your heart. TMMaps IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 01:08 AM
I undestand that Sailor and I repect that but I'm unclear as to why you and Kong are giving him such a hard time for something so trivial?Kevlar and I are two trusted memebrs of the community.He didn't ask something of a newbie that nobody knows.And how do you know he didn't ask LDA about it?Noone bothered to even ask him that I see.You guys just started beating him up.What do I have access to,you IP's.Wow.What am I going ot do with that?Sell it to the Afgans?I'm not using coax for anything.He makes all of the Admin decisions.He didn't ask me whether or not to bann Guido.Why are you guys so worry about LDA and what they think about it?Obviously you guys don't value coax's judgemant which ironically is why he is in the Admin position.Why are you guys so worried about that they didn't clear it with LDA?LDA dosen't know me.LDA dosen't know you.They are going to trust his judgemant when he asks for help which is what he used when he asked for help?So why all the red tape?If you wanted to follow the chain of command coax would pick two people that he thinks are worthy..which he has already done.Do you think LDA has a rap sheet for each player?Why are you worried about the relationship between coax and LDA?[This message has been edited by SuperUnknown (edited May 09, 2002).] IP: |
=DNX= Matrix Member
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posted May 09, 2002 01:22 AM
Sailor, this is NOT the navy, and there IS no chain of command. LDA gave coax the permission and ability to look after the BBS and your interests as posters. All I see hear is exactly that. A situation existed which was so minor It probably didnt require LDA to step in and help ... im sure their plate is full enough with more business type stuff. Coax made an ADMIN LEVEL decision to aquire help from the 2 people he trusts most, to help him with things he's a little green on. so in the navy kitchen you cant find the washing up liquid ... do you go running to the admiral to ask its whereabouts, so someone who knows where it is ? Your concern about the security of the BBS are also pointless as anyone who has run a bbs before knows that private info isnt available to moderators or admin but to the board owner only. The info is storred on LDA's computer where nobody but STAFF have access. As a moderator coax will no doubt see ip's bottom right of each post and have a few tools such as move thread, close thread and delete thread, but little else. there is nothing that you, kong or anyone else should be concerned about. Kevlar, Coax & Super are pillars of TM society, we put our trust in them every day to be right in postal response, overseeing thread abuse, language and in-game issues. Unless of course you are saying thay are not trustworthy enough to help a board admin ??? Board admin isnt a big deal at all - their job is to make sure the board runs smoothly, not to sell your private info to readers digest and story threads to news of america. So I ask you to cut some slack, these guys are looking after your best interests. At DMF each clan leader has admin/moderator access, this is done for fairness and so that nobody can say theres dictaion. Nobody in their right mind puts all eggs in one basket, and im certain theres nobody here thats skilled in absolutely every computer skill on the planet; its a perfectly natural thing to ask for help, the fool is the man who is too proud to; and considering the amount of data were talking about assistance was necessary. So are we talking about jealousy of access or ignorance in it's capability and information displays - either way neither co-admins had access to anything harmful, private or exploitable. I think your remarks are sharp, off the cuff, and to some degree unwarranted. The primary role and duty is to keep the boards running smooth and as long as thats achieved with or without a little help it has to be a good thing. Coax was trusted with the responsibility to make such decisions, and since you both assisted in putting him in that position im wondering why you are going so ballistic. If you want moderator access at DMF to see what kind of stuff is available im happy to grant that. the boss wont consult you when he wants a new secretary, he just hires one - so even in a "chain of command" as you put it, he's a step up and in a nominal unbiased view he has persued his task as best he knows how and to the best of his ability.
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Irascible Member
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posted May 09, 2002 03:10 AM
Sailor, I certainly understand your point of view. All those Cisco and Microsoft networking classes I took pounded into my head the notion of security. But I hope you'll take the pragmatic view. If you're entirely correct, Coax can do nothing more than what he's done. He's apologized, changed the password and discussed it openly and frankly. If you're wrong he's still doing those things. You'll never get everyone to agree with you on your point. But that doesn't matter because you got the one person who matters to agree: Coax.[This message has been edited by Irascible (edited May 09, 2002).] IP: |
Irascible Member
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posted May 09, 2002 03:23 AM
Coax,Don't worry about Kong. Kong and TM are like stormy lovers. They're always fighting but they always get back together... even when they shouldn't...  (Suits up in fire proof gear waiting for Kong's flames... hehehe...) IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 03:39 AM
I think coax has done a excellant job in making decisions and is fair.[This message has been edited by SuperUnknown (edited May 09, 2002).] IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 03:43 AM
And for the inquiring minds that have to know.Guido's IP matched some of those names that were spamming the board heavily.That was one of the things I was helping coax with.Traced back to the same exact location.Enough to bring up the ban option on any bulliten board that is moderated.So now you know.coax dosen't have to ask you if it was ok to bann Guido.[This message has been edited by SuperUnknown (edited May 09, 2002).] IP: |
MexIndian Member
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posted May 09, 2002 12:47 PM
Nah guys, I have to agree with the Kong/Sailer faction.I don't always agree with Coax, but I agree with the community that he would make a good moderator. That's contingent upon Coax being able to handle it... if he can't then, maybe he's not perfect for it. I don't know man... it's just weird you know.... it wouldn't have been such a big deal if we all knew about it, dig? And Ras, don't minimize Kong's comments man, I've never read him saying that before. ------------------ If I were you and you were me and I fragged you whose score would go up? IP: |
SuperUnknown Administrator
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posted May 09, 2002 03:24 PM
FYI I have had that access for almost a year now and your lives have contiued to be normal on the BB and it just chaps my butt that a few are blowing it way out of porportion because of personal issues or whatever. coax has Admin power and if you follow the chain of command that Sailor mentions it goes up not down..meaning that the players have no control over his decisions.He only has to answer to LDA and if you think they would care if he asked someone to help you presume too much..... Now if you have a problem with coax and something he did you can take it up with him or go straight to LDA,but he dosen't have to clear anything with players before doing it.Now coax can be nice and ask everyone if its ok but its totally unneccasary. Thats the A-Z of the matter.Honestly I just think its people trying to stir up things for their own personal agenda because it makes absolutly no sense to have a big problem with it.IP: |
-DNX-Ni Member
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posted May 09, 2002 03:36 PM
talk about a pack of vultures!! Coax HAS excelled his duties in administrator of the board and it seems there was a time of madness with the whole Marmalizer affair. I can understand that he may require help with such things. An innocent request to someone who is trusted within the community and has been a part of it for about a year and a half, who CAN help him without abusing his privileges seems feasible to me as Supe hasn't had much else to do so it seems! It's primarily Coax and he is the one who made the decision, as Matrix said, because that is his duty to the BB! ------------------ The Ahn-NI-hilator IP: |
Irascible Member
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posted May 09, 2002 06:38 PM
quote: And Ras, don't minimize Kong's comments man, I've never read him saying that before.
LMAO!!! Pffft!!! Kong is the King of irascibility. You have no idea. (adds additional flame retardent to already stuffy suit - you may fire when ready ) [This message has been edited by Irascible (edited May 09, 2002).] IP: |
Paranor Member
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posted May 10, 2002 11:37 AM
Alas, another long reading session on my break and again I'm missing something. For the vote of confidence, I think coax is doing great. Don't care who he gave his admin password to. If it's somehow misused you simply contact LDA. The more they gte notified the more they'll look into it. Otherwise, he was asked by this community to be the admin based on his character so it's a matter of trust. Besides, who cares? He needs help, he asked super and kevlar for some help. So far nobody has said anything bad about them so let's move on with helping coax and play. If not, they consider yourself volunteered and see how you like the added work. 
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Irascible Member
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posted May 10, 2002 03:13 PM
I saw the post the way it originally was Par. Wimp.  IP: |
Paranor Member
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posted May 10, 2002 06:04 PM
Now I'm never voting you to be the admin ras! 
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Karldar Member
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posted May 11, 2002 03:39 AM
Well, guess I shouldn't have bothered coming back....#1. I never had a problem with Guido-here or ingame. I learned long ago that words are only as powerful as one makes them. Therefore, I ignored Guido if I didn't think a topic/language was appropriate in order to avoid fanning the fire. I think it's a shame he was banned considering the characters on other, more populated bb's. #2. I definitely don't think that pw's should be shared by anyone in a position of power(however insignificant) without proper authorization. coax was recommended as an admin and LDA obliged us-I don't recall them making anyone else an admin. I don't have a problem with coax-or with his asking for help from others. I DO have a problem with others being given the same access that he has. I don't think that our personal info's been sold to the highest bidder or anything-it's the principle of at least maintaining the APPEARANCE of security. If Supes hadn't said anything, I would have had no idea that he and/or Kevlar had admin access and I would've been secure in my ignorance(unfortunately). Sailor explained it well enough already, I think. #3. Matrix, it's prolly true that you wouldn't run and ask the admiral/general where the dish soap is, but dealing with a chain of command mean that you advance to the next available level of command or supervison to determine your next course of action. And let's say that your fellow dishwasher knows where the soap is and how to get it, but it's locked up and only he has the combination/key. If he gives you the combo/key without authorization from a superior that could get you both in some hot water(oops-no pun intended). Yes, soap that's locked away is laughable, but I think that the access an administrator has is a bit more deserving of tighter security. #4. In closing, I just wanted to get some things off my chest. I was not trying to antagonize or villify anyone. I hope to be on some of the servers within a few weeks, but I think I'm done with the bb. Feel free to monitor my language and actions online and speak up if I get out of line-then maybe I'll finally quit playing altogether.... IP: |